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КРАТКА ИСТОРИJA НА МАКЕДОНИJА
« -: Май 03, 2007, 21:37:44 »
M A C E D O N I A N   W O R L D   C O N G R E S S Presents a court case presentation on the Macedonian history:


Greece alleges that:

1) The Macedonians should not be recognized as Macedonians because the
    Macedonians have been of Greek nationality since 2000 B.C.

2) Those Macedonians whose language belongs to the Slavic family of
    languages, must not call themselves Macedonians because 4000
    years ago the Macedonians spoke Greek and still speak nothing
    but Greek.

3) Macedonia has no right to call itself by this name because Macedonia
    has always been and is today a region of Greece.


The Macedonian people affirm that:

 1) The ancient Macedonians were a distinct European people,
    conscious and proud of their nationality, their customs, their
    language, and their name. The same applies to their descendants
    today.

 2) The ancient Macedonians regarded the Greeks as neighbours not as
    kinsmen. The Greeks treated the Macedonians as foreigners
    ("barbarians") whose native language was Macedonian not Greek.

 3) Macedonian was never a region of Greece. On the contrary, Greece
    was often subject to Macedonia. In 1913, Greece and her Balkan
    allies partitioned Macedonia, and if today a portion of
    Macedonian belongs to Greece, it is by virtue of an illegal
    partition of the whole and occupation of a part of Macedonia.
           

MACEDONIANS AND GREEKS THROUGH THE AGES

   Throughout antiquity, the Chasia and Kamvounia mountains, Mount
Olympus, and the vale of Tempe separated Macedonia from Greece.
On the north, Macedonia extended as far as the Vardar watershed and
along the Struma and Mesta valleys, past the city of Blagoevgrad to
the sources of the Bistrica River in the Rila Mountain in today's
Bulgaria. Macedonia covered a land area of c. 26,000 square miles.

   In the course of the second pre-Christian millennium, the ancient
Greeks descended in several migratory waves as goatherds and
shepherds from the interior of the Balkans into Greece. Some passed
through the Morava-Vardar Valley and across the plain of Thessaly on
their way south, while others went south through Epirus. More recent
scholars point to Asia minor as the original Greek homeland.

   There is no evidence that prehistoric Macedonia was ever occupied
by Greeks.

   The Bronze Age Mycenaean Greek civilization, names so after the
city of Mycenae on the Peloponnesus, thrived from c. 1400 to 1100
B.C. in mainly Greece and on the Aegean islands. Archaeological
finds from Macedonia are meagre and sporadic; scholars believe that
ancient Macedonia lay beyond the cultural and ethnic borders of
Mycenaean Greece.

   The ancient Macedonians claimed kinship with the Illyrians,
Thracians, and the Phrygians, not with the Greeks. In fact, the
Brygians of Macedonia were believed to be the European branch of the
people who in Asia Minor were known as the Phrygians.

   Ancient Macedonia was home to many tribes and nations. Homer did
not know the Macedonians by this name. Of the many Macedonia
peoples, Homer only mentions the Paeones who lives in the heart of
Macedonia. In the Trojan War, the Paeones joined the besieged
Trojans, an indication that they were not Greeks. Greek and other
historians frequently mention the Brygians. Their name derives from
the Macedonian word 'breg', "hill/mountain". The Brygians were the
"hillsmen" of Macedonia. Another remarkable people were the
Mygdones, who lived in Aegean Macedonia, in Asia Minor, and in Upper
Mesopotamia.

   Greek migrants came to Macedonia, Thrace, and Illyria after they
had exhausted the possibilities of settlement in Asia Minor, Italy,
France, Spain and Scythia, known today as Ukraine and Russia. Some
famous ancient Greeks went to Macedonia and Thrace in search of
livelihood or adventure. These included Pythagoras, Euripides,
Herodotus, and Aristotle's ancestors. However, the Greeks did not
consider Macedonia especially attractive for permanent settlement.
Neither did the Macedonians welcome them as openheartedly as did the
Italians and Scythians. Perhaps Aristotle who left Macedonia while
still a young man would have never gone back had the Macedonia King
Philip II (360-366 B.C.) not hired him to be his son's tutor. In any
case, by the middle of the fourth pre-Christian century, Greek
settlers were expelled from Macedonia, their cities, including
Aristotle's native Stagira, razed to the ground by Philip, and
Aristotle died in exile in Greece.

   The ancient Macedonians regarded the Greeks as potentially
dangerous neighbours, never as kinsmen. The Greeks unanimously
stereotyped the Macedonians as "barbarians" and treated them in the
same bigoted manner in which they treated all non-Greeks. Herodotus,
the Father of History, relates how the Macedonian king Alexander I
(498-454 B.C.), a Philhellene, that is, "a friend of the Greeks",
and logically a non-Greek, wanted to take part in the Olympic games.
The Greek athletes protested, saying they would not run with a
barbarian. The historian Thucydides, himself half barbarian,
considered the Macedonians as barbarians. Demosthenes, the great
Athenians statesman and orator, spoke of the Macedonia king
Philip II as:

        "... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not
        even a barbarian from any place that can be named with
        honours, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was
        never yet possible to buy a decent slave."
[Third Phillipic, 31]

   The Macedonian "barbarian" defeated Greece at the battle of
Chaeronea in August 338 B.C. and appointed himself "Commander of the
Greeks." The date is commonly takes as the end of Greek history and
the beginning of the Macedonian era.

        [Greece did not regain its independence until 1827 A.D.]

   Greeks prospered under the Macedonians, but they prospered in
Egypt and West Asia, not in Greece and not in Macedonia. Though the
Macedonians expelled the Greeks from Macedonia and Thrace, they
permitted them to settle throughout their vast empire in Asia and
Africa. Antiochia and Alexandria, to name just the two most
important cities established by Macedonians, grew into great
cosmopolitan metropolises where Europeans, Africans, and Asians
traded goods, ideas, and insults conversing mainly in Greek, the
'lingua franca' (common language) of the Macedonian empire.

   Other significant historical signposts include:

 * Greece was conquered by Macedonia at the battle of Chaeronea
   in 338 B.C.

 * Both Macedonia and Greece were annexed by the Romans to their
   empire after the battle of Pydna in 168 B.C.

 * Under the Romans, the Greeks continued to prosper in the Levant,
   Asia Minor, and Egypt, less so in Greece and not at all in
   Macedonia. While the Romans did not establish any province by the
   name of Greece or Hellas, there were two Macedonia's in their
   Empire: 'Macedonia Prima', known today as the Aegean Macedonia, and
   'Macedonia Salutaris', known today as the Vardar and Pirin
   Macedonias. The two Macedonian provinces formed the Diocese of
   Macedonia, to which the Romans attached all of modern Greece and
   Albania. Latin was the official language in Roman Macedonia, from
   168 B.C. until the demise of Roman rule at the end of the sixth
   Christian century.

 * After the establishment of Christianity, the Macedonians and
   Greeks shed their ethnicity in favour of the new identity as
   Christian and Roman citizens. Those who spoke Latin called
   themselves 'Romani'. Those who spoke Greek, whether they were
   Macedonians, Greeks, Armenians, or Arabs, referred to themselves
   as 'Rhomaioi', a Greek word for Romans. Those who used Slavic
   language were known as 'Slovene'.

 * In the sixth century, the Paeones, now called Slavs, came back
   and captured all of Macedonia from the East Romans, with the
   exception of a few coastal cities. Macedonia maintained its
   independence and resisted attacks by the Armenian and Syrian
   dynasties who held power in New Rome (Byzantium) and by the
   shamanist and nomadic Bulgars who roamed the steppes of the
   Dobrudja with their herds. Since the sixth century, the native
   Macedonian language had been the dominant speech of the land. It
   was first systematized in the middle of the ninth Christian
   century by SS. Cyril and Methodius, the apostles of the Slavs who
   were born in Thessalonica, Solun. The Macedonian language has
   functioned as the principal literary, liturgical, and colloquial
   language of Macedonia ever since.

 * In 867, the first European dynasty assumed power in medieval East
   Rome. The dynasty is called Macedonian because the parents of its
   founder, Basil I, originated from the Byzantine province of
   Macedonia. The Macedonian rulers in Byzantium spoke Macedonian
   and Greek and thought of themselves as Macedonians and Rhomaioi.
   In the tenth century, another dynasty came to power in Macedonia
   proper and reached its apogee under Tsar Samuilo at the turn of
   the millennium.

 * In 1014, the Macedonian Roman (Byzantine) Emperor Basil II
   defeated Tsar Samuilo and soon annexed Macedonia to his East
   Roman state. Under the Macedonian rules and their successors in
   Byzantium, the Macedonians retained their language, customs, and
   their church organization.

 * The East Roman Empire was destroyed by the Crusaders in 1204.
   During the next two and a half centuries, the Macedonians fought
   foreign invaders, adventurers, and bandits who tried to dominate
   their land. The Ottoman Turks established their rule in Macedonia
   in the fifteenth century. The Turks used the name 'Rumelia' for
   their possessions in the Balkan Peninsula in the belief that they
   had once belonged to the Roman (Byzantine) Empire.

 * In 1827, the Christian European powers intervened on behalf of
   Greek rebels and forced the Turks to grant them independence. In
   1832, the same powers established the first modern Greek state,
   chose Prince Otto of Bavaria to be "King of the Hellenes", and
   sent him to Athens.

 * Macedonian entered this century as a province of the Ottoman
   Empire, divided among the Solun, Bitola, and Kosovo vilayets.
   The region was occupied primarily by Macedonians. The census in
   the three vilayets taken by the Ottoman state in 1905 found
   3,181,690 inhabitants. Other than to Macedonians, this region was
   home to many Albanians, Turks, Romi, Vlachs, Jews, and Greeks.

 * After the Ottoman state was weakened by internal troubles,
   Montenegro, Serbia, Bulgaria, and Greece attacked their former
   masters. In this war, called the First Balkan War, the Turks lost
   Macedonia. The victorious Balkan kingdoms convened in Bucharest
   in August 1913 to divide the spoils. By the Treaty of Bucharest,
   Macedonian was partitioned. Greece was awarded Aegean Macedonia
   and renamed it "Northern Greece"; Bulgaria annexed Pirin
   Macedonia and abolished the Macedonian name, and Serbia took
   Vardar Macedonia and renamed it "Southern Serbia."

 * The Macedonian state was created out of the ashes of the
   Second World War as Josip Broz Tito, the anti-fascist leader of
   Yugoslavia, recognized the Macedonians as a distinct people
   with their own nationality, language, and culture when he created
   modern Yugoslavia. Macedonia became a sovereign state by a
   popular referendum held in September 1991 when the majority of
   voters chose independence.


MACEDONIAN AND OTHER LANGUAGES

   During the reign of Alexander the Great, the Macedonians spoke
their own native language.

   The question of the use of the Macedonian language was raised by
Alexander himself during the trial of Philotas, one of his generals
accused of treason. Alexander said to Philotas:

        "The Macedonians are about to pass judgement upon you; I
        wish to know whether you their native tongue in addressing
        them." Thereupon Philotas replied: "Besides the Macedonians
        there are many present who, I think, will more easily
        understand what I shall say if I use the same language which
        you have employed, for no other reason, I suppose, than in
        order that you speech might be understood by the greater
        number." Then said the king: "Do you not see how Philotas
        loathes even the language of his fatherland? For he alone
        disdains to learn it. But let him by all means speak in
        whatever way he desires, provided that you remember he holds
        our customs in as much abhorrence as our language."

        [Quintus Curtius Rufus, History of Alexander the Great of
        Macedon, VI. ix. 34-36]

   The trial of Philotas took place in Asia before a multi-ethnic
public, which had accepted Greek as their common language. Alexander
spoke Macedonian with his conationals, but used Greek in addressing
West Asians.

   Like Illyrian and Thracian, ancient Macedonian was not recorded in
writing. However, on the basis of about a hundred glosses,
Macedonian words noted and explained by Greek writers, some
place-names from Macedonia, and a few names of individuals, most
scholars believe that ancient Macedonian was a separate
Indo-European language. Evidence from phonology indicates that the
Macedonian language was distinct from Greek and closer to the
Thracian and Illyrian languages.

   Linguistic continuity between the ancient and modern Macedonians
is shown by the survival of Philip's original native name. Philip
was known abroad as 'Philippos'. The native Macedonian and Thracian
form of his name was recorded in the name of the Thracian town which
he has conquered and named 'Pulpudeva', "the city of Philip". In the
language of its Slavic citizens it is known today as 'Plovdiv'.
The cosmopolitan form of the city's name is 'Philipopolis',  a
learned rendering of the native name. Another example of this
continuity involves the ancient capital of Macedonia, Edessa. The
Macedonians knew this city as 'Voden' long before linguists
discovered that the Slavic name was a translation of the original
name and that both meant "watertown." The Greeks, on the other
hand, unless they study linguistics, do not know the meaning of the
name.

   Since 1913, official Greece has been trying to banish native
Macedonian names of villages, towns, cities, and rivers in Aegean
Macedonia. For example, the Macedonians are being instructed to
forget Voden and use the name Edessa and to drop the name Solun in
favour of Thessaloniki. The people whose ancestors have over the
millennia plowed the earth and grazed their sheep and goats in the
Bistrica and Vardar valleys are forced to learn from dead writers a
dead language the "proper" names for their rivers.

   The little stream which issues from Mount Olympus and flows into
the Aegean Sea by the town of Katerini is labelled 'Mavroneri',
"black water", on maps made by Greek cartographers. However, the
same river appears as "Crna Reka', a native Macedonian name meaning
"black river" on maps made before 1913. Perhaps the village of
Nezero on the southern slopes of Mount Olympus, has not yet been
given a Greek name because it has escaped the attention of Greek
linguist purists. The name in fact derives from the Slavic word for
"lake". Of course, when Zeus and his divine company lived on Mount
Olympus, the lake had another name. But, ever since mortal
Macedonians have lived there, the lake has been called 'Ezero',
meaning "lake".


SUMMARY

   It is common knowledge that the northern boundary of ancient
Greece ran from the modern city of Preveza (a Macedonian name,
meaning "ferrytown") or from Korfu to the Vale of Tempe south of
Mount Olympus. In antiquity, Macedonian was a northern neighbour of
Greece, never a province of Greece.

   Alexander spoke Macedonian and was proud of his ethnicity.
However, the Macedonian language of his day was not used as a
literary idiom. The first native written language of Macedonia is
the idiom called Macedonian or Old Church Slavic.

   Though Alexander spoke Greek, loved Homer, and respected his
tutor Aristotle, there is much evidence that he hated and despised
the Greeks of his day. He thoroughly destroyed Thebes. His Asian
empire is correctly called Macedonian, not Greek, for he won it with
an army of 35,000 Macedonians and only 7,600 Greeks. The Greeks
distinguished themselves on the side of the Persians. For instance,
at the battle of Issus, Alexander's European army was opposed by a
large Asian host which included about 30,000 Greek mercenaries who
fought for the Persians. During his campaign in Asia, Alexander
dismissed the messenger who had brought him news of a war among the
Greeks, saying: "Why should I trouble myself with battles of mice"?

   Alexander could not think of himself as a Greek, for his mother
was from Epirus, a land more Illyrian than Hellenic, and his earthly
father was a Macedonian whom the Greeks of his day called "a
barbarian". More importantly, Alexander told the Egyptians that his
heavenly parent was their god Ammon. After he conquered Mesopotamia,
Persia, and the Indus Valley, he believed he was a god commanding
his Greek subjects to accept his divinity.

   It is possible that the native Macedonian name "Mygdones" was the
basis of the name "Makedones," which then became the collective name
for all the different peoples of Macedonia. It is by the latter form
that the various peoples of Macedonia became universally known. Even
if the ancient Greeks did take part in the shaping and popularizing
of this name, this does not give today's Greece the copyright to the
name "Macedonia".

THEREFORE:

   The Claims put forward by Greece that the ancient Macedonians
were Greeks, that their native language was Greek, and that
Macedonia was a region of Greece are all false. The historical truth
is that Greece was inhabited by Greeks, Macedonia by Macedonians.
The presence of Greek settlements along the coast of Macedonia which
Philip II destroyed anyway did not change Macedonia's ethnic
character. Likewise, a very much stronger and longer Greek presence
in Egypt did not transform that African land into a region of
Greece. The ancients knew where Greece ended and where Macedonia
began. They believed that Mount Olympus was in Macedonia, Mount
Parnassus in Greece. Thus the geographer Strabo calls Olympus "the
highest mountain in Macedonia". It still is.


Author:  Professor Jacques Bacid, Ph.D. Columbia University, 1983, has taught Balkan and East European history at the University of Oregon.


MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE!
       
William Gladstone: "Македониjа на Македонците, Бугариjа на Бугарите, Србиjа на Србите!"

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КРАТКА ИСТОРИJA НА МАКЕДОНИJА
« -: Май 03, 2007, 21:37:44 »

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Re: КРАТКА ИСТОРИJA НА МАКЕДОНИJА
« Отговор #1 -: Май 04, 2007, 12:07:59 »
Хубава статия и не кажува нищо ;D ;D ;D

А колкото за Македония на македонците - ваша си е, хич не ни и трябва. Имаме си доста проблеми, та и вашите да решаваме... Сигурно вече гледаш тъпо, щото чакаш да ти я поискам за нас, ама не. Нито ми допада, нито ми е дотрябвала бедна планинска земя без полезни изкопаеми и с безброй междуетнически проблеми...
Оправяйте се сами, братле. Признайте си, че сте с български произход, че след 1944-1945 г. сте прегърнали македонизма и си управлявайте държавицата и си се оправяйте с албанците. Друго от вас не ни трябва и утре като се сблъскате с албанския сепаратизъм не ни хленчете на нас. Нито един българин няма да отиде да се бие с шиптърите за чужда земя... А и вие спрете с домогванията към нашите паспорти. Стойте си край Вардара и много ви поздрави! ;D
Кофти ли е? Знам, че е кофти, ама и ние не сме умряли за вас, а вие сте корназ, защото все си мислите, че сме задължени да ви искаме. Е, ние паузираме, ама с шиптърите ще ви е трудничко:))
А по отношение на българското и българщината сте много обиколки след Западните покрайнини и Бесарабия, та чак и след Канада.

Така че дръжте си земицата и гледайте на запад, че оттам ще изскочи заекът!
Хайде със здраве! ;D ;D ;D
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Re: КРАТКА ИСТОРИJA НА МАКЕДОНИJА
« Отговор #2 -: Май 09, 2007, 22:31:11 »
Добре му го каза, приятел ;D. Бах го у смешника......Тия братче няма да се спрат с техните глупости........и дето най-ме дразни пишат с правописни грешки. Маке им трънаци! Да, трЪнаци-с Ъ. Да ва ибЪ...ама с Ъ у родоотстъпниците.

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« Отговор #3 -: Май 11, 2007, 02:06:46 »
blago: 3a жaл и тебе те фаќа простачка хистериjа. :(  Разбирливо е, изгледа осознаваш дека си бил излажан...

Tреба да ги знаетe знашите идеали - и никогаш да немате дилема! Еве ги накратко македонските идеали:

1.  "...да се работи на организирањето на народот во Македониjа, да се дочека удобно време за подигање востание што ќе го има за главна цел извоjувањето слобода за Македониjа и неjзиното прогласување за самостоjна држава."

(Възпоминания на Исайя Радев Мажовски, роден на 9 март 1852 година, в село Лазарополе Дебърско-Мякедония, София, 1922, стр. 54-55).


2. "Александар Велики и идеала на Македонците."

("Автономна Македония", II, 76, София, 1922, c. 2-3)


William Gladstone: "Македониjа на Македонците, Бугариjа на Бугарите, Србиjа на Србите!"

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« Отговор #4 -: Май 11, 2007, 15:52:02 »
От какво сЪм бил ''излажан'' бе приятелю родоотстъпнико от Бивша Югославска република Македония. Кой ме е ''излажал''? Сам ли сЪм се ''излажал''. Я ми кажи, езика, на който ми пишеш от кЪде го знаеш, не ти ли е майчин? А! леле какво сЪвпадение, преди минута открих, че и на мен ми е майчин сЪщия език  :o!!! Не сЪм ли откривател а? А аз знам, че майчиния ми език е БЪлгарски. Интересно твоя какъв е ??? ::)

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Re: КРАТКА ИСТОРИJA НА МАКЕДОНИJА
« Отговор #5 -: Май 13, 2007, 01:19:38 »
Македонец, виж са само какъв цитат си постнал: (Възпоминания на Исайя Радев Мажовски, роден на 9 март 1852 година, в село Лазарополе Дебърско-Мякедония, София, 1922, стр. 54-55).

А сега да ти посоча 2 интересни неща в него:
1. Исайя Радев Мажовски се именува сам славяно-българин. Сам виж и прочети:

Молба от Дебърските и Кичевските славяно-българи
"До Негово Императорско Височество Всерусискии Императору Всеславянски Покровител и Защитник Николай ІІ"

МОЛБА

от македонския старославянски православен народ от Дебър и Кичево (Македония)

Пред Ваше Императорско Величество, коленопреклонно падаме, целуваме земята и крайщата на дрехата на Ваше Императорско Височество и с кървави сълзи на очи излагаме нашите вековни тежки и непоносими страдания, благодарение на зверствата на турците-зверства, които те всекидневно вършат над клетите македонски славяно-българи, прадедите на които още преди 2600 години, са се отделили от майка Велика Русия и са се преселили в Македония, а именно в западния македонски край, от бреговете на Охридсктото езеро и от реката Дрим, до албанската граница.

ВАШИ ИМПЕРАТОРСКО ВИСОЧЕСТВО,

Въпреки 500-годишното ни робуване под турците, ние до ден днешен сме запазили славяно-българския език и славянското православно учение, но нашите дъщери и нашите сестри насилствено се отвличат от турците и се потурчват. Останали без народен архиерейски пастир, ние рискуваме да видим изчезнало и самото православие, тъй като постоянно дохождат протестантски и католически мисий и променат верата на народа ни, като всячески се стараят да ни направат католици и протестанти. Постоянно молим турския цар, да ни позволи да имаме екзархийски владика, но той и това не позволява. Та затова с кървави сълзи на очи и коленопоклонно молим Ваше Императорско Височество да се застъпи за нас пред турския цар, та да ни позволи да имаме екзархийски владика в Дебър и Кичево."

София, 1897 година. Съставил Исайя Мажовски (Isaja Mazovski, Исаја Мажовски).

Взето от: "Възпоменания на Исайя Радев Мажовски. Роден на 9 март, 1852 година, в село Лазарополе, Дебърско-Македония", С., 1922, стр.43.

Ето ти и линк: http://spartak.blog.com.mk/comment/reply/35899/127903

И освен това защо му е на македонецът Исайя да публикува такъв труд не къде да е, а в София???! Или например Яне да живее до смъртта си в България, а не в Скопие да речем? Нещо прищраква ли ти?:)


И 2-ро: Не мислиш ли, че щом Мажовски е роден в Дебърско значи е шиптър, а не македонец? ;D ;D ;D
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« Отговор #6 -: Май 17, 2007, 03:22:28 »
Но штом Мажоски излегол од Софиjа и пошол во Киев да му се обрати на рускиот император, види како убаво си ги знaе корените:  2500 години стар народ -- кога Бугарите се уште биле во Монголиjа -- па уште знае коj му биле водачите: Цар Каран, Филип II и Александар Македонски:

" Почитувани господа,
 
Македонскиот старословенски народ уште пред 2,500 години е доведен од Цар Каран, коj како Цар Филип и Александар бил чист Словен.  Не повеке од 500 години поминаа откако Македониjа и македонскиот стар словенски народ се потиснати и се наогаат под тешкиот турски jарем. Ние клетите Македoнци, офкаме и плачеме, но никоj не сака да не чуе, дури и самите наши брака ни пречат. ...

18 jули, 1888 година, Киев, Русиjа"
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« Отговор #7 -: Май 17, 2007, 15:16:11 »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D човечеее много хубаво разказваш вицове. Залях се от смях хахахахахха

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« Отговор #8 -: Май 17, 2007, 16:33:31 »
Македонец, значи, че ми бягаш от отговорите на въпросите го разбирам...

Обаче, МОЛЯ ТИ СЕ, само не ми обяснявай, че по времето на цар Филип при вас е имало славяни и, че Филип и Александър били славяни, защото направо ставаш смешен. :( :( :(

А от друга страна е интересно откъде сте доведени, защото накрая май ще излезе, че е от Азия...
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« Отговор #9 -: Май 17, 2007, 17:08:07 »
По-точно от Памир ;)

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« Отговор #10 -: Юни 03, 2008, 00:07:31 »
Па што е пошол в Киев да офка.То там го не било императорот.Мръсните македонци като са усетили че Русия оттегля военната подкрепа от България след Съединението и мачкането на сърбите са действали зад гърба ни.Даже първи словене са се изкарали.Мръсни гниди безродници, хамелеони опашати австроунгарски, от най лошите поданици - сръбските предатели, дето и австрийците не са ги искали.
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« Отговор #11 -: Юни 23, 2008, 15:39:58 »
Обичам земята Македонска,но мразя хората там.Щом нещете да сте българи небъдете.Важното е едно- няма да ни откраднете историята.Плюйте на всички радетели за вашата свобода,на всички поети и певци ,на всички оставили костите си по тия чукари.Сърбейте,гърчейте ,но не пипайте нашите светини-там,където ние  имаме исконно право.Заради вашата свобода ние изгубихме  Добружа,Беломорска тракия,Западните покрайнини.Ще молите ,ще просите ,ще се домогвате до България след време ,когато шиптарите почнат да ви сменят имената и да рушат църквите и жилищата ви-помнете те незнаят милост.

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« Отговор #12 -: Август 16, 2008, 23:07:05 »
Бандити нещастни, на маймуни ни обърнахте 100 години.

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Re: КРАТКА ИСТОРИJA НА МАКЕДОНИJА
« Отговор #13 -: Септември 03, 2008, 13:39:14 »
да бе егати лъжливите бабини деветини, аз мога да кажа че ние българите сме дошли от Плутон и сме първите хора на земята...ето как целият свят се оказа български  :D :D :D :D :D :D
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